Curse

enter_the_zone · Feb 16, 2008, 04:43 AM // 04:43

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Originally Posted by Dallcingi

Hey Blizzard already had this tourney system w/ prizes in Wc3 TFT so you cant say they snagged this concept from Anet.

More the insta-max char with max weps in a special arena concept than the tournament.

enter_the_zone · Feb 16, 2008, 04:46 AM // 04:46

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Originally Posted by Zinger314

I'm not sure how that's related to "caring."

If ArenaNet charged an entry fee for tournements, no one would play competitively and the game would die.

No one would enter the WoW tournment unless they thought they had a shot at winning. It's an idiocy filter. (just like the monthly fee, ahem.)

Also, before anyone mentions it, no, the article on WoW causing a divorice is false.

You really haven't played WoW much, have you? Cause if you have, then you know the idiot factor in WoW is about the same as the idiot factor in GW. Difference is, in WoW you're paying to play with those idiots....

Bryant Again · Feb 16, 2008, 04:48 AM // 04:48

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Originally Posted by enter_the_zone

You really haven't played WoW much, have you? Cause if you have, then you know the idiot factor in WoW is about the same as the idiot factor in GW. Difference is, in WoW you're paying to play with those idiots....

At least in WoW it's relatively server dependent.

enter_the_zone · Feb 16, 2008, 05:12 AM // 05:12

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Originally Posted by Bryant Again

At least in WoW it's relatively server dependent.

Seriously, tell me where they aren't? I might consider playing again.

Rekiara Malevu · Feb 16, 2008, 05:14 AM // 05:14

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Originally Posted by enter_the_zone

More the insta-max char with max weps in a special arena concept than the tournament.

You mean, like, every FPS that has had competitive multiplayer, ever? Well, ok, some of the newer ones now have leveling and gear unlocks. Which makes me laugh a lot - the RPGs are moving to the FPS model while the FPS are moving to the RPG model. Grass is always greener on the other side, I guess.

Anyway, this isn't a new or original concept - the only thing 'new' about it is MMO developers realizing they don't need enforced grind timesinks when they just make their game fun to play in its own right.

enter_the_zone · Feb 16, 2008, 05:20 AM // 05:20

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Originally Posted by Rekiara Malevu

You mean, like, every FPS that has had competitive multiplayer, ever? Well, ok, some of the newer ones now have leveling and gear unlocks. Which makes me laugh a lot - the RPGs are moving to the FPS model while the FPS are moving to the RPG model. Grass is always greener on the other side, I guess.

Anyway, this isn't a new or original concept - the only thing 'new' about it is MMO developers realizing they don't need enforced grind timesinks when they just make their game fun to play in its own right.

All true.

I never said Anet didn't develop the idea from FPS multiplayer, I was just pointing out that it's not the tournament idea people are saying WoW is copying, it's the character and arena aspects of it.

artay · Feb 16, 2008, 05:30 AM // 05:30

This is too funny, really.

They're paying 200,000 bucks to whoever can use the same skills the best? Its like an automated tournie and you're only allowed to use iway.

/projectile vomit

RedNova88 · Feb 16, 2008, 05:30 AM // 05:30

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Originally Posted by Zinger314

I love how people who say "GW is superior" provide irrefutable evidence.

I'd be willing to agree if you would provide it. Unfortunately, it does not exist.

It's purely based off of opinion and of course people are going to defend GW (this is a GW forum after all). I played WoW for 2 years and still occasionally play on private servers to experience the "new" content. The reason I said what I did is because after playing the game for so long you start to realize things. Like how not a single suggestion on the suggestion forums have ever been implemented to my knowledge. The "blues" as players call them act like children in many circumstances which could explain why one month a class is blatantly underpowered and not wanted in the sightest, and then the next month it's the exact opposite and everyone is "rolling" that class to be in the flavor of the month club.

Another reason I said what I did is that... Let's take a look at a game like Lineage 2. I hate it, I honestly do. However you pay 15 dollars a month to play, you don't buy the expansions (which are huge). you get them for FREE just for being a member. While on the other hand Blizzard's expansion sold for 40 dollars (or around that) for some content that people got through in a matter of days and were soon bored. My point was that even though Blizzard is working on more than one title they are still raking in massive amounts of money and not really putting it back into the game.

Whilst all this is going on the Anet team is acting mature. Reading the forums regularly, nerfing skills that need to be nerfed (most of the time). And implementing things on the side at no additional cost to us, with the exception of the BMP. They're fixing bugs almost as soon as they're aware of them, while on the other hand WoW has certain bugs that have been around since day one that are major nuisances and the devs rarely, if ever, respond.

I wasn't trolling you. I was voicing my opinion on the matter, albeit blunt, I see it as the truth since I have spent so much time with WoW. And even if all classes are at max level and have equal quality gear it's not likely to matter because some classes scale much more efficiently with gear than others which are just free kills to others. This is why I assumed the project would be a failure to begin with. Anyway that's my 2 cents.

Darkobra · Feb 16, 2008, 05:51 AM // 05:51

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Originally Posted by Bryant Again

At least in WoW it's relatively server dependent.

Time for me to server hop, then. If I have one more 10 year old prick demanding I heal or res them from across the world when I wasn't even in their PARTY at the time, I'm going to roll an opposite faction character just to hunt said person down.

You never get these problems in Oblivion... And if you do, you can just kill them, anyway.

Bryant Again · Feb 16, 2008, 05:53 AM // 05:53

What server are you on? If you want a recommendation I'd go with Skywall, both Horde and Alliance. Mordakai has a hunter going on in there, as well.

Darkobra · Feb 16, 2008, 06:02 AM // 06:02

European Nagrand. Avoid that place like the plague.

Bryant Again · Feb 16, 2008, 06:13 AM // 06:13

Aw crap, dunno too much about the Euro servers...Wish I could be a bit more help there : \ I will see what research I can do, though.

Darkobra · Feb 16, 2008, 06:25 AM // 06:25

Ack, it's no problem. I'm playing with my girlfriend, as you know, and she's pretty set on staying with the server. She's done FAR more than I have across two characters while I play an hour or two a day and do other things.

But thanks for the offer, regardless. Very kind of you.

Snow Bunny · Feb 16, 2008, 06:25 AM // 06:25

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Originally Posted by Zinger314

The amount of utter ignorance in this thread is quite disturbing.

If you've never played WoW (which I suspect many of the "WoW is crap" people have not), you have absolutely no right to comment on it.

On that note, the league is completely optional. You can still PvP in WoW Arenas without joining the league. The purpose of the league was to satisfy the complaints about not allowing instant lv. 70 characters in WoW, which it does now.

I'll also point out that WoW has obtained "official" e-sport status by the MLG, while GW has not. So whose copying who?

So when in this league, everyone has equal level gear...your point?

(I'd say more, but by blood pressue spiked the last time one of these threads popped up.)

WoW gained e-sport status because they asked for it. GW was asked to enter the MLG, but declined, so that's a fairly invalid point.

WoW is a fairly crap and imbalanced game, having played it, but whatever. I can just imagine 3v3 battles lasting 30 minutes because of the skill set up of WoW.

As bad as GW PvP as it is, it will never be as bad as WoW PvP

anonymous · Feb 16, 2008, 06:50 AM // 06:50

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Originally Posted by artay

This is too funny, really.

They're paying 200,000 bucks to whoever can use the same skills the best? Its like an automated tournie and you're only allowed to use iway.

/projectile vomit

At least you don't have to worry about Build Wars if everyone has the same thing.

DarkNecrid · Feb 16, 2008, 06:53 AM // 06:53

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Originally Posted by Snow Bunny

WoW gained e-sport status because they asked for it. GW was asked to enter the MLG, but declined, so that's a fairly invalid point.

WoW is a fairly crap and imbalanced game, having played it, but whatever. I can just imagine 3v3 battles lasting 30 minutes because of the skill set up of WoW.

As bad as GW PvP as it is, it will never be as bad as WoW PvP

They declined because Anet refuses to let anyone host official tournaments for their game except them.

Which is pretty lol.

Lord Sojar · Feb 16, 2008, 08:41 AM // 08:41

Hi, I am WoW. I am only popular to Koreans (who have no life except gaming) or to miserable people living in other countries. Work daily on me, I mean play me... Ooops. GRIND GRIND GRIND! Sorry, I have turrets.... MONTHLY FEE! Imbalance! Eggs! Bad graphics! HARK HARK!

Hi, I am Guild Wars. I am one of the most balanced MMOs ever created. What I lack in PvE content, I make up for in PvP content. I have a horrid community that shuns new players to the extent that they might actually cry. I have elitist snobs that somehow believe that their "cooler" looking armors and weapons make them more powerful. I am better then WoW on many levels, except PvE, but honestly, who gives a flying shit about that? Go me!

Seriously, I hope all the WoW servers spontaneously explode. Oh wait, that might kill 98% of the korean population via withdrawal and extreme depression.

AuraofMana · Feb 16, 2008, 10:25 AM // 10:25

All these crap about WOW sucks and it rips off of GW and how amazing GW is. Honestly, most of you complain about it when other people badmouth GW and yet you are doing this.

Here's a simple fact:

Since GW is so damn great in your opinions and WOW must be shit, how come WOW has 10 million people and GW is being complained about in its own fan forums?

Kay thanks.

Seriously, next time you want to talk about how GW is the best MMORPG ever existed, explain why more (more like way more) people play WOW and not GW. You being intelligence while they are not is not a valid reason, because obviously they are having fun. And last time I checked, games are meant to be fun.

And if you want to talk about stealing, talk about how GW 2 sounds exactly like WOW first.

DivineEnvoy · Feb 16, 2008, 10:56 AM // 10:56

Basically this thread was about how Blizzard plans to make a tournament with a similar system to the PvP system we have in Guild Wars. It seems that this kind of PvP system is the right direction for these MMORPG games.

Sadly, this thread has turned into another one of those World of Warcraft versus Guild Wars arguments. Although it is noted that people should be able to express their opinions, it just doesn't seem to fit, since this is a Guild Wars fansite forum, not mmorpg.com or gamespot. In contrast, it's like going into a tour of the Coke factory, and we get people arguing how Pepsi is so much better and so much superior in their sales. If you really like Pepsi that much, why don't you go to a Pepsi factory and brag about how much you like Pepsi? Relevantly, a similar question can be asked: if you like World of Warcraft so much, why don't you go to a corresponding forum and brag about how much you like it?

With these said, I'm not saying it's immoral to make opinions about both games on this forum, but really, people just won't stop making irrelevant arguments, which many is unwanted here, to the corresponding topics. In simple words, posting arguments about how World of Warcraft is a better game on a Guild Wars forum is more or less a flamebait.

Shuuda · Feb 16, 2008, 11:01 AM // 11:01

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Originally Posted by DarkNecrid

They declined because Anet refuses to let anyone host official tournaments for their game except them.

Which is pretty lol.

That doesn't sound "lol" to me, that sound like A-net just wanted to run their own game.